Monday, March 14, 2011

Snarky Theology 2: FAQs about Lent.


For those of you who aren't Catholics, or for those Catholics who don't care, Lent has already started.  In fact, it started last Wednesday.  I suppose standard procedure would have been to post it then, but I had someone post a link I wanted to respond to, and I needed a few days for my blood pressure to come down.



So, what is Lent?  Lent is a part of the Catholic calender that is, essentially, a forty-day warm up to Easter. I've already started living on yogurt and berries.



As part of my Lenten series of sort-of religious blog posts, here are some FAQs about Lent.



FAQ: Why is Lent when it is?



A: Read the Bible. Pick a gospel, any gospel. While they can't agree on what Jesus' last words were, one thing they all agree on is that Jesus was nailed to a day of 2x4s the day after the Passover meal. The only reason Passover isn't always the same time as Easter: the math is different (literally, different astronomy, Judaism uses a lunar calender for such calculations, Catholics don't. Greek Orthodox do, however). 

FAQ: What's with giving up stuff?



A:  Religious reason: Traditionally, you give up stuff for the forty days of Lent because it's part of mental and spiritual discipline. Not to mention that Jesus got nailed to a set of 2x4s, we can give up Oreos for a few weeks.  And, forty is the running gag of Biblical numerology, so it's as good an idea as any.



However, giving up "stuff" isn't supposed to be the point.  Giving up any bad habit, sinful behavior, reflecting on your spiritual life, is supposed to be where the emphasis lies.  If you look at the question sheet my parish handed out, it's focused on spirituality, etc.  Giving up stuff isn't even mentioned -- the start of Lent is marked by "What are your resolutions."  Giving up material things isn't necessarily required.



“Real world” reason: Look at the time frame. Lent falls in late winter, early spring. Basically, when you start Lent, most of the world will be coming to the end of their winter stores of food. Lent took a problematic reality and turned it into a religious duty. Who says a religion can't be practical?



Modern "real world" reason, for the West: think of it as extra incentive for all of those new years resolutions you couldn't get through.  See above: Jesus got nailed to a set of 2x4s, we can give up Oreos for a few weeks.



FAQ: Catholics giving up “meat” on Fridays during Lent, yet eat fish? What, fish grow on trees now?



A:   I assume that no one who asks that question has ever done their own shopping. “Meat” is in one aisle, “Fish” in another.



The Latin word for meat is “Carne,” which translates more literally as “guts.” Meat, in the original language version, was anything that had internal organs. This is pretty much why fish is allowed on Fridays. I can't say that I've ever been able to identify any internal organs in any shell fish I've ever opened up; and any non-shelled aquatic animal tends to be gutted.



And, another "real world" reason: if you live near a large body of water, you could probably always find something to eat.  "Out of season" fish is a reletively recent concept.



Q: Why do you make children participate in Lent?  They're Children, they know nothing of sacrifice!  They can't understand!  This is child abuse!



A: Honest to God, I've seen this argument, I can't make it up.  I must thank Matt for this one.   He posted a link on his Facebook page, and I followed it through. 



Now, while this guy brought up some excellent points about Vatican II (which was administered by abject morons, and as well-timed as a pork roast at a bar mitzva), he shows about as much thought to the concept of religion and children as Richard Dawkins, whom he cites.....



I read the article. I found it a lovely piece of evidence that, while Catholic education is great for teaching reading and writing, they suck on teaching things like, oh, BEING CATHOLIC. I know, I went, and I had to look up everything myself.



The article author talks about fish not being meat [Again:  Carne (meat) meant "having guts." I've seen the internal organs of shellfish, they look less like guts and more like mush. Therefore they're "not meat."  And other fish are gutted]



Also, the article itself is a little confusing.  At the start of the article, his ten-year-old-self seems to understand everything about Lent, and does it quite well. By the end, he's whining that "no ten year old can understand" the concept of sacrifice; yet, at 13, he seemed to want a MORE stringent guideline. Someone should have told him that no one was going to stop him. He could have even gone to a pre-Vatican II church, Mel Gibson's father is part of one.



I liked how he seemed to have grasped the basics, until "Oh No!  It's Vatican II!"  Suddenly, he can't understand any of it, because "Vatican II radically changed the way Catholics practiced"..... 



Um, no, not really.  That may have been the way it was filtered down to this guy, but congratulations, it means that you're doing mass in English. You don't have to learn Latin, and the Vatican figured out that, gee, you don't have to fast every day of Lent anymore, since half of the planet is no longer in starvation mode by the end of winter -- the Church changed the bare minimum, that's all.



Vatican II (V2: Repentance Day) was supposed to have the church address the "modern world," instead of this guy's thought that we were losing members. The irony is that Rome hemorrhaged members AFTER V2, not before. There were enough internal memos that made it to the public, V2 looked like Obama's foreign policy during Egypt, for much the same reason. The Pope who called V2 wanted the church to keep up and adapt to the world. The argument the article gives is that nothing in the Bible, or Jesus, or any text, had changed, is true -- but the entire world had.



And so, V2, "Oh, we're going to bring the laity into the decision-making process."  Thanks, I've been through that process.  I'd sooner take the nuns.



The parts of Lent modified by V2 turned religious duties into mandatory minimums, since they were no longer harsh realities for half the planet.



After reading this twit's suddenly inability to comprehend, I wonder ... Does that mean I was a very bright eight-year-old, or does that make him a really dumb thirty-year-old?  I understood Lent while growing up, and so did he -- but, sometime between the start and the end of the article, he got confused, and fell down.



To actually answer this nitwit, I would like to direct him to my answer to the second FAQ.  I used a specific phrase:  the modern real world reason for the west.  Because, guess what, this isn't all about him. Screaming "child abuse" doesn't work, when you consider that the original, practical reasons for stringent fasting still apply to parts of the world he wouldn't be caught dead in. 



Now, I don't know if that makes him a provincial, small minded, "ugly American," or if that makes him a cranky Catholic who no one explained stuff to.  And, considering that half the kids in America are butterballs, taking away their junk food for forty days might, just MIGHT, be a good idea.



Not to mention that, oh, dear, Michelle Obama is also trying to make kids sacrifice food ... all year round .... I must have missed his article when he screamed that the First Lady was abusing our children. 



Oh, and, again, giving up stuff is a surface sign of faith, and is not the main point-- modifying behavior for the better, enhancing faith, is the point, and that is where the emphasis lies; maybe that's what he didn't, and doesn't, understand.



I also like the assumptions inherent there.  "I don't understand something, so why should I be expected to do it?"  Little kids sometimes don't understand the concept of "don't steal" (have you ever seen one with toy bins in Kindergarten?), or don't lie, or "don't touch the burner on the stove," or "don't stick that up your nose,"  "your face will freeze like that," and "Look both ways before crossing the street."  We expect them to do all that, though. This guy wants to cry abuse at "inflicting Lent on children."  Hey, Michelle Obama wants to legislate what they serve kids in public school, maybe he wants to bitch about that, too.



The complaint seems less a matter of "Lent is stupid" and more a matter of "Lent should be harder."  Someone should have told him that he could make it as hard on himself as he likes.



Unfortunately, I can't even blame this moron for his ignorance. Did I say he made excellent points about Vatican 2? Sorry, I meaant to say he's a perfect example of what went wrong with Vatican 2. Welcome to post-V2 Catholic education by the laity: "Just do this, we won't even attempt to explain it to you, because we don't believe it or understand it ourselves .... assuming we tell it to you in the first place."



I think this article and his author are great examples of arguing for more, better Catholic education.



And, for Lent, I'm going on a variation of his stringent fasting. I'm going to survive on fish, veggies, and yogurt. Since I'm overweight to start with, how's that for making a religious duty out of a practical necessity?



UPDATE:

As my friend Jason has pointed out, Jews + Fasting = Yom Kippur and Passover.  Catholics also took the same religious traditional definitions of fish and meat from Kosher laws.  Hmm, maybe the twit from that article wants to talk about Kosher as child abuse too. Hmm...

7 comments:

  1. So Keane, you think we should have no restrictions on children's diets? You do realize that these "strange and mystical" dietary ideas actually came from........common sense? Catholic fasting came from Judaic Kashrut/Kosher Laws (so did Islam). Why? Because it MADE SENSE BACK THEN.

    Generally speaking, alot of animals were unclean, and the cooking methods they had back then sucked (and they knew it). Also, as Mr. K pointed out, they generally fasted inbetween seasons, which fit with harvesting and storage timeframes all the way into the 20th Century. Welcome to the real world.

    Also, fasting has a value as a commitment to ideals, and also to oneself. It shows loyalty to a cause that is far greater than oneself.

    Now, I'm not suprised that you can't understand this, Keane. Why? Because in your entire post to Mr. K, you rant at him. Yell at him. It's all about you. And not about Lent, or anything else.

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  2. And, for the record, I'm going to do a post on V2, so Mr. Keane may want to keep an eye out for it.... if he thinks he hates it, he should look at my opinion.

    Oh, and, by the way, Mr. Keane... Lent should be harder, but it's child abuse. So you want more child abuse? Interesting way to look at it.

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  3. are you removing my posts, or have they not been confirmed? johnholmes0@gmail.com, let me know.

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  4. An additional note on abstaining from meat:

    We abstain from mammal meat (for lack of a better term) because such food (beef and lamb in particular) was considered food of celebration, food for feasts, and food for special occasions.

    Fish, by contrast, was common food, easier to obtain.

    Lent is a time of penance. Friday, meanwhile, is always a penitential day. It is a day of remembrance of Christ's suffering in AND out of Lent. Friday is now and has always been a day of penance for Catholics, because Christ suffered and died on Friday for our sinfulness. Fridays in Lent are particularly penitential for this reason as well.

    In any case, we abstain on Fridays from food that is considered "celebratory" or "rich" to remind ourselves of Christ's suffering and death on that very day.

    Now, speaking of Vatican II--it was the common practice prior to Vatican II (in US) to abstain from meat *every* Friday, not just Fridays in Lent. However - Friday as a day of penance *did not change* post Vatican II. In fact, most other countries (via their diocese) *still* abstain from meat every Friday during the year. Here in the US, the bishops decided we could substitute another penance for not eating meat if we want. In Lent, that penance is specified as no meat.

    How did this get communicated to the masses? "No more fish on Friday." No word that we STILL must do penance on Friday, regardless.

    No fish on Friday was a lot easier. As a result, I have decided, as a post-Vatican II-raised Catholic, to abstain from meat *every* Friday regardless. At least it puts me more in line with the rest of the world and it is easy to remember.

    As for Friday in Lent, I take some additional time at prayer. Makes those Fridays a little more special.

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  5. >>>>>>>>4. "Also, Keane, you want to limit choices for schoolchildren because Michelle Obama wants.......healty (sic) choices? How does this not fit under your concept of 'child abuse'?"Did you even read what I said about child abuse? Did you go look at the link I posted? I agreed that limiting diets IS NOT child abuse. Can you read?<<<<<<<<<<<

    Ah, another logical fallacy. "I'll pretend the other side can't read! That makes me smart, and them untermensch. Fail, big time. You just walked into calling me subhuman, by proxy. Fail.
    But ultimately, you are arguing that Lent is child abuse if it's put on kids. And Michelle Obama is doing roughly the same thing, but from a different angle. I might agree with her (although I hate cafeteria food).

    >>>>>>>>>>5. "Your (sic) entitled to your opinion. I'm also entitled to say you're a self-righteous jackass."Agreed. You have a right to say that, and I have a right to say what I want. You have a right to be wrong. I won't argue with that.<<<<<<<<<<

    Now, if you called me a jackass back, I'd have no problem with that. Schoolground name-calling is fun. Fat momma jokes work. But you don't go there- I'm Just Wrong. Of course, you're entitled to that. But that doesn't mean it's true. But you're spinning it as such. And that's a really weak straw man. You are convincing no one with that, other than yourself.

    >>>>>>>>6. "I'm with Jason on this. If Mr. Keane had said that 'this is all me' to start with, fine, that's his opinion. But, no, he decided to inflict his ignorance on everyone."FUCK! All opinions are saying, "This is all me!" I shouldn’t need to announce it! It's implied! Your entire blog is a dedication to YOU---YOUR THOUGHTS. You think the current Catholic Church's views after Vatican II were composed by "idiots." You put yourself ABOVE the Catholic Church's hierarchy, and then you criticize ME for voicing an opinion without saying, "By the way, this is my opinion?" That's insanity!<<<<<<<<

    Mr. K, and I, and others are presuming to speak for a larger group. And we recognize a greater polity out there. I don't think you do. You recognize your atheist viewpoints, and then find a chasm between that and everyone else. Doing a Mexican tap-dance from the other side of that chasm means shit. It just means you do crappy dance. And that's what an opinion is, unsupported

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  6. >>>>>>>7. "So, thank you, Mr. Keane; you, like Dr. Dawkins, has tried to make religious bigotry acceptable."It's not bigotry to criticize ideas. The ideas of the Catholic Church (and Judaism) are shitty ideas with no evidence. It's not bigoted to think so. If I were to say, "All Catholics are stupid," or, “All Jews are bad people,” THAT would be bigoted. I'm not saying that. I'm saying these IDEAS are stupid. If we aren’t allowed to criticize ideas, then we aren’t allowed to think.<<<<<

    You do realize that Catholicism and Judaism are comprised of people, right? And that by saying that the religions are shitty, the people within it are shitty, too? You're also calling Catholics and Jews stupid. Should we continue to have this conversation ein Deutsche? Or is that too much of a metaphorical hammer to the head?

    At no point there, is that solely an idea. It's connected with a greater body of people. Religions denote ethnic, cultural, and racial uniqueness. What you're saying is that those people are dumb to follow the ideas that they cherish for cultural, religious, and personal reasons, and thus, you are better than them, because you have found The Greater Truth.

    That’s religious bigotry, sir. You. Are. A. Bigot. You might be atheist, but your ideas beyond the basic premise as an atheist are that you don’t like others because of who they are- religious folks. And if you want to explain to you why the Age of Reason failed in the French Revolution- because it was godless- I will. But I’m not sure if anyone else here wants to be bored with a history lesson.

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  7. As a Christian, I happen to think that has Keane some very valid points. Also as a Christian, however, I have no interest in getting involved in a shouting match with other people simply because they disagree with my beliefs. It is not bigotry to question or discredit ideas. It is the right, even the responsibilty, of every human to do so. Catholicism, down to the very foundation on which it was laid, is deeply and irretrievably flawed. Does that mean that Catholics are stupid? Not necessarily. Does that mean that God isn't using the institution of Catholicism for his own purpose and glory? Of course He is. It is certainly not for me to judge how God reveals Himself to people.

    ...it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of the mouth...

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